What could Max have possibly been doing that he hadn’t done yet knowing full well today was the day? He was suppose to show up at noon to start his 46-month prison sentence for obscenity convictions but decided to take his time and arrive at 2:45. Well it’s not like he can get in anymore trouble!
Max also had a farewell party at his home on January 24. You can see those pictures at AVN. You can also read the full story of today’s events at AVN:
Producer/director Max Hardcore and a small entourage including girlfriend Layla Rivera pulled into the parking lot near the building housing the U.S. Marshal Service in downtown L.A. at about 2:45 this afternoon. Max, a.k.a. Paul Little, was supposed to surrender himself to the marshals at noon to begin serving his sentence for interstate transportation of obscene matter and posting obscene material on the Internet, and he was running a little late.
“It’s okay,” he said as he hurried up Alameda Street toward the Justice Center. “I’ve got ’em on the phone, and as long as I show up before 4 o’clock, I’m okay.”
“I’d just like to say, as an American and a guy who really believes in this country and supports it, it’s a real disappointment,” he said. “I guess at my age I shouldn’t be disappointed by these things anymore, but I keep holding out hope that things will change. Basically, we’ve got a good country and with the new man at the helm, maybe we can get beyond this and adjust the laws to reflect what the public really feels. I think the public has spoken, and I think the public is right. The American people together have spoken, and when they speak, that should be the law. I respect that the law is as it is. I’m disappointed that they found me guilty down there [in Tampa]. But I respect it. I’m here to turn myself in and as a lover of freedom, I’m not too happy about that, but that’s the way it is and, well, I’ll see you guys later.”
Porn Star Babylon 
tattypattyagain
January 30, 2009
C’mon GUYS! Where are all the dickheads high-fiveing one another now that Max is gone? Don’t worry fellas, you can go back to watching Gagfactor or Pissmops or whatever you’re into, knowing that a guy who is more perverted than you is getting locked up. Feels pretty good, huh? Knowing that your filthy movies/livelihood won’t get taken away (or will they?) because they found their scapegoat. Please feel free to leave a laundry list of all the terrible things Max has done. I’ll be waiting….
iwasthere
January 30, 2009
Max has been partying for months. He and Layla have looked wasted since the Pirates premiere downtown! Look at how skinny Layla has gotten.
sinlinlin
January 30, 2009
He deserves the same freedome to express himself as you do, iwasthere, on this board.
Who cares if he has been partying all over for months. Because he was convicted , does he start being holed-up in his house.
What would you do if you had either little freedom left, or you knew that you only had x-amount of years to live??
The fact is , he is paying the price and was made a scapegoat.
One day you might be accused of something, and you might fight tooth-and-nail to prove your innocence, only to be found guilty.
Then, see if you have the freedom to post to the 2000 or so who read this blog everyday.
sinlinlin
January 30, 2009
Misspelled freedom incorrectly in the first post.
sinlinlin
January 30, 2009
In my first post, not tatty’s.
frog
January 30, 2009
Did anyone say he should have gone to prison? I think the most people on the porn side of things have said is that he should have read the writing on the wall long ago and realized where he was gonna end up.
It don’t bother me Max went to jail. It don’t bother me Michael Jackson and OJ went free. Although I did get a big grin when OJ went back to court for doing something stupid after having most likely gotten away with killing his wife. You’d think he’d have figured out to stay away from the law. But, it ain’t a perfect system. That’s just the way it is. If I could fix it, I would. But, don’t worry about the stuff you can’t fix. If I end up in that situation, I’ll have to cross that bridge when I come to it.
And, it ain’t like Max was out to help the needy or anything. He was abusing women.
tatty, you can rail against Shelley Lubben who is trying to help the needy, but Max Hardcore gets in trouble and it ticks you off?
Harvey Dent
January 30, 2009
I hope his cell is yellow.
frog
January 30, 2009
Oh yeah, I forgot about the people who think he’s guilty of rape. Those people do think he belongs in prison. tatty, do your lawyer thing and start ranting about, “but, that’s not why he was convicted!”
tattypattyagain
January 31, 2009
Haha Frog, Shelley ‘helps’ people because she fucking has an agenda. She has a fucked up shitty life and blames it on porn rather than looking in the fucking mirror. The Anastasia Blue situation showed exactly how much she cares about others.
OF COURSE I’m fucking pissed about Max’s situation. If he was charged and convicted of sexual assault or any other serious crime I’d say let him rot, He got convicted and sent to prison because somebody found his movies obscene. Understand? He’s in jail for making a dirty movie. What part of that do you not get? LOTS of people find his shit offensive; I find MOST of his newer shit repulsive. So fucking what? I like SlapHappy and other shit people would definitely find obscene. I want to watch it, and if ADULT porn whores consent to be in it, then the DOJ can suck my dick. I feel the same about Stagliano, Rob Black etc. I’ll get off my soapbox now….
tattypattyagain
January 31, 2009
“Do your Lawyer Thing”. What? The thing where we actually talk about what really happened ?
Harvey, that joke was fucking funny, dude. What is his fucking obsession with yellow? Piss, maybe….
frog
January 31, 2009
I just think the whole “he’s a rapist, he belongs in prison” thing vs. the “but that’s not what he was convicted of” thing is tiring. They’re both right. The people who administer the system know it’s not perfect and manipulate it in imperfect ways to compensate for that. But, they very well should be playing straight shooters as well since they are enforcing the law. It’s like arguing over what’s funny and what’s not, only there are legal points and shit that make the whole argument a lot more boring.
tattypattyagain
January 31, 2009
The whole rapist/pedo thing stains the industry at large, though. As I said, if a performer had gone to the authorities and he had been charged and convicted, I’d say lock him up. That isn’t what happened. Saying ‘oh Max is a rapist’ doesn’t mean anything otherwise. Is Khan a rapist? Rocco? The guys in the Cody Lane Blue Room scene? Any performer who took his money and worked with him knew what kind of shit he made. While it’s not my cup of tea, where does it end?
Pissmops? GagFactor? SlapHappy? It’s completely subjective. Another thing is the sheer volume of misinformation about what Max does. I’ve read at least three articles that mention him doing scat (literally) and dozens mention pedophilia (in a more abstract context). Let’s all sit back and watch what happens with Evil Angel….
frog
January 31, 2009
For me the issue isn’t so much about what’s obscene or whether or not he’s a rapist. I’ve been rough with a girl, you could call me a rapist. I wouldn’t have put Max in jail. But, I’m aware I live in a society. And, I know I’m a lot more liberal on social issues than most.
If anyone was going to be put convicted of obscenity, it was going to be Max Hardcore. And, it’s not like this is the 50’s where Lenny Bruce got arrested for using profanity. Lenny Bruce never hurt anybody. Can you say the same about Max Hardcore?
Max made a business out of abusing women, which is a dangerous game. I saw where he (or somebody who worked for him) put up a video of a girl who had claimed rape afterwards, they put up the scene of her being paid. Yeah, she said “oh, I did that willingly, I could have said no”. But, you could completely see it in her face that she wasn’t comfortable saying that, just wanted her money and be able to leave. To try to trigger memories, Max only gave her a partial payment and said “do you believe I’ll make good on the rest?”, the girl with a nervous grin said, “yeah, you’ll pay me.” He was just dotting his i’s and crossing his t’s. It doesn’t fit the legal definition of rape and he can’t be tried for it because the girl was stupid enough to agree to it despite her wishing she hadn’t. But, come on now, it was rape. Regardless of what the laws are. He completely manipulated the girl and he knew it. The guy is a menace.
I would argue Khan wasn’t a rapist, not just because he wasn’t doing the fucking, that’s kind of tertiary. But, because there was plenty of footage showing that he tried to accommodate girls. There was some Lisa slut who walked off his set because John Dough farted in her face. When Khan found out about it, he ran down the hall after her making sure somebody would tell her she didn’t have to finish and that she would get a good kill fee. You’re never going to see footage like that on a Max Hardcore film. I’ve seen Khan cut the shoot himself because he didn’t think the girl was up to it. Khan would actually egg the girl on to say no sometimes which had to have served to encourage the girl to do it if she really needed to.
Basically, I see it like Max and Khan both played a dangerous game. Khan played it better and more carefully. Note that even Max is complaining about his lack of support from the industry. Not many people like him. From what I’ve read around, Khan was well liked. He would have gotten more support than Max. Not that it’s conceivable for it to be illegal not to be well-liked. But, it’s indicative of the kind of man this guy was. Plus you add in the rumors of Max being a drug addict, doesn’t surprise me at all. It does not bother me at all that Max Hardcore was sent to prison.
You just don’t want a jackass flying the plane. If you’re going to play a dangerous game, you damn well had better be good at it.
There are issues like, “well, did Khan maybe ever once cross the line and do something that should be illegal?”. He probably did. But, Max just wasn’t taking the precautions. He was just flying the plane straight down onto the ships yelling, “Banzaiiii!!!”
iwasthere
February 1, 2009
Max is only in jail, because he thought they would never put him in jail. Frog is right about Khan and Max both playing a dangerous game, but Khan being the better player (Khan wisely kept a lower profile, because he didn’t want to be ‘porn famous’, like Max; Khan was just happy to make $$ abusing women, a favorite hobby). Max could once get the Stephanie Swift type big name performers, but not in recent years and that speaks for itself.
frog
February 1, 2009
Tatty, I think you’re looking at it from the point that “look, I’m a lawyer and this is what the law should be.” I’m just looking at it from, “I’m one thief stealing from another, and you better be careful playing this game.”
But, you’re “legal” argument that obscenity laws are subjective doesn’t hold any sway with me at all. A friend of mine got in an argument with another guy. He got mad and left the building. The other guy ran after him and pulled his car out behind my friend’s in the parking lot and starts yelling and screaming at him. And, this guy is huge, built like a tree. So, my friend decides to get the hell out of there, hits the guys car so it moves out of the way and speeds off. Who goes to jail? The tree looking guy for false imprisonment (it’s called something like that) or my friend for vehicular assault. And note that both of these are felonies.
The cops and judge said my friend. But, I’ve talked to another guy who was there and saw it. We both feel like the tree guy should have gone to jail. It’s entirely subjective, it’s just how you interpret the situation.
And further, if you wanna argue law, I’m just not the right person. I find the whole thing tedious and boring.
iwas, I think the basic differentiating thing that led to Khan’s and Max’s different ways of handling the game was that Khan actually like the girls, loved the girls. I don’t get that impression towards Max. I get the impression Max loathes the girls and laughs at them.
frog
February 1, 2009
Why haven’t the Ghetto Gaggers guys been prosecuted? I haven’t thought about it much, but whether or not those guys should go to prison is a much harder argument for me. I like their work, unlike Max’s. But, those guys make no bones about the fact that they are flat out “legally raping” the girls. I guess if the feds could make a case that those guys handled the girls really poorly behind the scenes, and did this routinely, then I’d be fine with them going to prison.
I think the reason I like Ghetto Gaggers and Meatholes was that they emphasized the emotions the girls was going through in their shoots. Max’s shoots seemed to be more centered around the dressing them up like little naive girls thing. And, even that concept was kind of secondary to the idea that Max was gonna shove his cock as far inside the girl as he could despite what the girl thought. If there had been more emphasize on what the girls thought instead of getting them to repeat stupid lines where they call Max “sir”, maybe I’d have been able to get into it. JM’s Gag Factor is the same way to me.
Harvey Dent
February 1, 2009
“you’re “legal” argument that obscenity laws are subjective doesn’t hold any sway with me at all. ”
The fact that obsencity laws are subjetive makes Max conviction all more legal. I do think Khan hates women too, just ask Cleo, but he is a richer, smarter guy than Max and unlike Max, he makes his livehood from non porn endeavors. Porn and abusing PW is his hobby so he can see that as a joke and a pastime and knows where to call his joke out. I think Khan has a love hate relationship with PWs, Max just hate them and has made hate toward women his live calling and his sole claim to fame.
I talked with Rebeca Linares and after I made some comments in LIB about her scene with Max, his former manager in Spain contacted me and told me what really happened. And that he regrets having set up Rebeca with Max. I agreeed with him on Rebeca behalf not to press the issue until she is retired from porn.
Max really hates women, he is NOT AN ACT. Rebeca told me that she has done far more roughter sex scenes with other people but what inpressed her from Max was that the hate was real.
In other parts I have written about the links between piss drinking and a overbering and abusive mother in PWs. Max is sketchy about his childhood but it seems that he was raised by a overbearing, disciplinarian, Catholic mother that one time has him sent to military school.
He is raping and pissing his mother in his videos. PW are his stand in.
iwasthere
February 1, 2009
GhettoGhaggers walks a fine line and they would not go over the line and do something that would land them in prison. They like their freedom and money and would hate to lose either in court. They are not porn valley people, they started as web people in affiliate programs. They have no desire to be known personalities. Anyone that works for them is told what will be done prior to the scene.
frog
February 2, 2009
Who is Cleo?
Harvey Dent
February 3, 2009
His former porn actress mistress.
frog
February 3, 2009
I need a last name so I can google as least somewhat effectively.
Harvey Dent
February 3, 2009
Aspen Brock. That was her porn name.
tattypattyagain
February 3, 2009
Aspen’s scene in Gangbang Initiations is like a car wreck; you cannot stop watching. She begins to sob as she’s being ass-banged and needs time to recover. Cinema verite at its best…..
tattypattyagain
February 3, 2009
Frog, buddy, you’re kind of making my point with your GhettoGaggers post…..
Harvey Dent
February 3, 2009
Aspen Brock scene in Gang Bang Initiations is a scene I want to watch before I actually met her online. I got the feeling that soon or late I’m going to met her.
And often I became friends with a woman, for some reason I cannot watch her porn if she feels bad about doing it. I will find dishonest doing that behind her back.
For all I have read in LIB, it was a huge trainwreck. A desperate heroin addict with childhood molestation poblems trying to do a Gang Bang and sobing while the directors instead of giving her a kill fee and sent her home to do her next fix, kept pushing it and she kept trying. The people that has seen that scene say that it was like watching a woman rape herself in slow mo.
Harvey Dent
February 3, 2009
The funny thing is that she now mets people like Hillary Clinton or work with people that met Hillary Clinton. She is listed under her real name as a student and Hillary campaing donor.
Fun if you know that Mark donates money to the likes of Barbara Boxer too.
frog
February 4, 2009
That I haven’t really thought about their situation and don’t know what I’d think if I did makes your point? Not sure how me not having a knee-jerk reaction makes your point.
tattypattyagain
February 4, 2009
The fact that you enjoy watching films made by consenting adults that could easily be found obscene by 12 citizens. I guarantee you that there are people even in porn that think the GG/FA guys go too far. But it doesn’t fucking matter. You should be allowed to jerk to that shit all day and they should be permitted to make it, without fear of losing all their income on a lengthy trial or winding up in prison.
Harvey Dent
February 4, 2009
Well, for me is simple, that is the law. I also might enjoy ilegal drugs and find the war on drugs stupid but I a get caught with drugs, WTF, In going down.
Max as a bit of a Lucca Brazzi in the Godfather book. He was saying, kill me. please kill me. And when people come to kill him he complains. Its unfair.
Max was the ideal target. He is hated by the female target, most people find his porn replusive (hey the jury did not even want to watch his movies entirely) and with no reediming social value that he could use.
He got what he was asking for. He could have moved to Germany and be safe. He wantes the test the limits of the US law on porn and he found them at least for now. He cannot complain. He knew what he was doing and he singed the dotted line.
frog
February 4, 2009
I’m under no impression that just because I enjoy something that it should be legal. When I was a kid, I went through a thing where I loved shop-lifting. But, was never under the impression it should be legal.
From a pure legal aspect, I do agree with you. I wouldn’t have put him in prison. But, like I said, I’m a lot more liberal on social issues than most people. That they put him in prison doesn’t bother me.
The American legal system is imperfect. If that bothers you, you got issues. As long as, say 95% of it makes sense, I’m fine with it. And, to me, this falls in the 5% I don’t care about along pure legal lines.
It’s like this. I think heroine should be legal. But, I don’t care that it’s not because I’m aware there are huge practical implications of legalizing it that could be really bad.
And, this country does make and enforce laws not just on pure legal concepts, but on the practicality of the issue. You sit there an listen to some idiot arguing recreational drugs should be illegal. They entirely make the case that, “uhoh! legal drugs mean you’re kids are going to have easier access to them!”.
The legal concepts are not the only variable you look at. That his misogynist films haven’t enjoyed legal protections under free speech just don’t concern me when you look at what a fucking menace this guy is.
I realize that it’s not a priority of yours to garner sympathy from me regarding your opinion on this issue. But, if you want to have some fun running around on the internet arguing Max’s case, I don’t think you’re going to have very much success unless you’re able to address people’s practical concerns people have over letting a misogynist menace like Max Hardcore make millions of dollars off of his films abusing women
When you look at people like Khan Tusion, and even people I don’t care for like Jeff Steward, these people don’t have the same level of a destructive track record like Max Hardcore does. And, porn is an industry that deeply discourages the whores from complaining about abuse. But, Max Hardcore has got the complaints all over the place. If Jeff or Khan were prosecuted, I’d be more sympathetic to the pure ACLU legal concepts, because they don’t seem to have the same personal defects to the extent that Max has. So, the concerns over how their practices are effecting the people they work with just don’t seem as overwhelming.
Basically, Max’s conviction to me falls under the 5% I don’t care about that is imperfect about the American system. It gets shoved over there because Max Hardcore is the closest example to pure evil that I can find in the public media.
Hopefully Max does something that changes him in prison. Even if it’s just some hoaky “I found God behind bars” thing, as long as it changes his behavior, I’m good with it.