UPDATE: here
As you already know, Kayden Kross conned a disabled war veteran, his wife, and their four children from their home all while she walked away with six figures. As Mark Kernes writes this fluff piece on Kayden, she’s right there sucking his cock trying to get this fluff piece from AVN.
Poor little Kayden wants us to believe she was this dumb blonde, naive, ignorant, illiterate, uneducated cunt who couldn’t walk and chew gum at the same time. She wants us to believe she was this naive, caring person instead of the evil, degenerate cunt that she is. But she put out this campaign after getting into porn that she was the smartest porn star alive. She wants us also to believe there was this master scheme to rope in strippers and get them to steal people’s homes. And that all the authorities got her on was not filling out the right paper work. She can say that to herself till she’s blue in the face and try convincing others as well but we all know she’s an evil, lying cunt who wouldn’t know the truth if it punched her in the face.
No one put a gun to her head making her sign those documents. No one talked her into purchasing any properties. No one forced her to walk away with six figures. No one forced her to get a free car and her utilities paid by her other accomplices. No one forced Kayden to tell the family she stole from to fuck off. She is the one that sought out this family with her fake smile and faux sincerity.
She says they got her on a technicality and there was no written contract. That they had never prosecuted anyone for that in the history of Sacramento. Of course there was a written contract cunt! That’s how they found you and knew who the criminals involved are! Does the slut feal special to say such stupidity that she was the first in Sacramento history?
Kayden says that the people who know her knows she would never intentionally hurt anyone. Who are these people? The men you fuck? The men who get paid to defend you like Mike South? The men who think they’ll fuck you in the future? The woman who are also criminals? Or others who also have skeletons in their closet? None of these people care about you tramp! They know what you are and how you’re ugly inside and out. How there isn’t one single good thing to say about you. How they wouldn’t trust you around their piggy banks because Kimmie Krook would rob them blind.
You took advantage of a family in need that fell on bad times. You’re a lazy cunt who wanted a free ride and stealing from good people turned you on. People who actually worked their entire lives to buy their home but one day fell on hard times like millions of others in the world. You saw your prey and you went in after them. I hope and pray the day comes that you lose everything and believe someone who has their hand out to you but only to have them take it all from you and rip out your fucking heart, if you have one, in the process.
She blames the mortgage broker in this all while Mark Kernes still has her bent over his desk. Did Mark do his homework and read every interview that Scott Fayner and Gene Ross did for this case? Because if Mark did, he would have read how it’s the same mortgage broker that took in the entire family of six, out of his own expense and pocket, and moved them into his home. All while Kayden walked away with six figures after not paying the mortgage payments that the family had given her and also by taking out all the leans against their home without them knowing.
She goes on to blame the disabled war veteran saying he was at the police station everyday bothering the police officers for the two and a half years since this has happened. If Kayden Cunt had her home stolen from her, wouldn’t she be at the police station every fucking day trying to get justice? Was this the same police station that her good friend Detective Freeman worked at?
Kayden now wants us to believe that she still doesn’t know what she did wrong and why it’s illegal. What she plead down to and plead no contest to (guilty) is not the crime. Mark Kernes knows this. But to get this cunt to spread her legs, he agrees to “write” this fluff piece and puts on the show that he believes what she’s saying. She was charged with two felonies but plead no contest to one of them all in exchange to rat out her friends and her former fuck buddies.
Many criminals never see the inside of a prison cell because they plead to a lesser offense all to avoid prison time. But everyone knows they’re guilty but the authorities rather spend their time and resources going after the ones who ran all of this. Because we all know Kayden isn’t smart enough to run a lemonade stand. But she certainly knew full well what she was doing here and walked away with six figures all while a family of six lost the home they had lived in for the past 15 years.
If Mark Kernes is finished looking like the fucking cunt that he is, he should head over to Scott Fayner & Gene Ross’ sites and read all the interviews they have done with the man who lost his home, the mortgage broker, and the ex-boyfriend. The same ex-boyfriend she tried running to when this all unraveled but he once again turned her away.
Did Mark Kernes contact the family who lost their home? Did he contact the mortgage broker? Did he contact anyone at the DA’s office? No. So this interview is meaningless. If you want to read this joke of an interview & the garbage that Mark Kernes put together while Kayden was under his desk, it’s after the jump.
In late May, 24-year-old porn star Kayden Kross pled “no contest” to misdemeanor charges arising out of a mortgage scam which reportedly targeted cabaret dancers with little if any financial training and large disposable incomes.
“The situation was, I basically was talked into purchasing two properties that were in foreclosure by a broker who stood to make a lot of money by brokering the transaction,” Kross told AVN. “It was a super-sophisticated transaction that I knew nothing about; it fell apart; the numbers were shaky, and the broker was just setting it up to get his fee and run, so that really screwed me up. I didn’t know what I was doing or supposed to be doing, and I still don’t know exactly what I did wrong and exactly what was illegal about it.”
“The thing that they got me on was not filling out a contract with the people I bought the property from,” she continued. “The people who I bought the property from were people who, through all of this, were trying to get money out of me, and basically through the two and a half years or however long it’s been, they have been in the police station every single day, annoying the hell out of police officers, trying to get them to make a case against me so they could get a settlement out of me, and they got me on the technicality that there was no written contract, and they had never actually prosecuted anyone for that in the history of Sacramento.”
Kross was sentenced to one day in jail for the offense, but was given credit for “time served”: The day she self-surrendered and was booked, which meant that Kross spent no time behind bars. Additionally, charges of grand theft which had previously been lodged against her were dismissed. She was also given three years of what she described as “informal probation,” which she began serving almost immediately.
While Kross declined to discuss what other obligations she may have incurred pursuant to the charges, such as any payments to the occupants of the foreclosed houses which she had bought, she assured that, “Everything that I have to do has been done.”
As for how Kross got into the situation in the first place, she blamed her own naivete.
“Everyone who knows me knows I’m not the type of person who will intentionally screw someone over,” she said. “I just got pulled into a situation I knew nothing about. I was trying to refinance my own house, and he was the broker, and he and the mortgage lender are the two people who did this to me. Actually, I wasn’t the only girl they did this to; their general MO [modus operandi] was to take girls who had cash, which are usually house girls, and – cash and a good credit score which was all they needed, so a few girls got pulled in. The did the same thing on all of us.”
Kross said she didn’t know how many dancers had been similarly scammed.
“I haven’t been in the loop,” she explained. “I’ve actually done my best to stay as far away from it as possible. But they pulled this scam on a number of people, and a number of people got pulled into the legal system because of this, so it’s unfortunate. My advice is never give your social security number to somebody you haven’t done your research on.”
Kross said that Adam & Eve, to whom Kross has been under contract, had been “extremely supportive” through the whole situation, and recently renewed her contract for a second year.
Don Houston
July 6, 2009
Mark Kernes now owns DF unless she can prove KK had sex with him. He can also request all her data from WordPress whose TOS she has violated:
“the Content is not libelous or defamatory (more info on what that means), does not contain threats or incite violence towards individuals or entities, and does not violate the privacy or publicity rights of any third party”
For someone that won’t even make a phone call because it might be tracked…. (ducking)
Darrah Ford
July 6, 2009
What he allowed Kayden to say about the man she stole from is libelous against he and AVN.
I’ve said far worse about others and none of them said anything. How is what I say libelous but what he ran isn’t?
Don Houston
July 6, 2009
Reporting what a public figure (KK) says is not libelous, making accusations against a private citizen (Kernes) on the other hand, does fall into that category. If you’re mad about the situation, take a step back until you cool off and learn how to state your feelings, emotions, and speculations in a legal manner.
Darrah Ford
July 6, 2009
The man whose home she stole is a private person but Mark allowed her libelous accusations against him to be run on AVN. What I said is no different than what he ran.
Don Houston
July 6, 2009
You have no idea if her allegations are libelous but it is fair game to report a statement like that while making a directly libelous statement is not.
For those that forget though, here are some DF statements that are applicable:
1) “I just don’t bother and spend my time trying to finc out other information and do other things.”
2) “I’m also not going to waste my entire day contacting people for one fucking story.”
3) “I also do not care what anyone in the industry thinks of me.”
Mark Kernes
July 6, 2009
Near as I can tell, Ross and Fayner didn’t do ANY interviews of the occupants of the house regarding this case; all they did was print or link to what you wrote. If you’ve got some facts (as opposed to rumor or speculation), trot them out.
Darrah Ford
July 6, 2009
Why do you care and spend your time reading every word I write only to critique me? I don’t have to answer to you for anything. This is a blog I do in my spare time but you actually want me to treat it like it’s a 9-5 job. Leave me alone.
billy
July 6, 2009
Darrah,
I think you missed the most important paragraph of the entire article…..”Kross declined to discuss what other obligations she may have incurred pursuant to the charges, such as payments to the occupants of the foreclosed houses which she had bought….”
Sounds like she didnt get off quite as easily as it appears, but all in all, I am with you on this one Darrah. These scams are going on all over the place right now. If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.
Also notice it says ‘houses’ as in more than one.
Simple questions Kernes should have asked are, How much did you invest and how much did you get in return? That answer would shed alot of light into this whole situation. IF, and thats a big IF, she invested 2000 dollars and made 100,000 dollars, then yes, that looks pretty darn fishy. IF she invested 75000 dollars and only profited 20 ro 25000 dollars thats different.
Terri Redor
July 6, 2009
Those of us bright kids who read newspapers recognized the scam KK was caught up in when we first heard about it. Duh.
Teams of brokers and mortgage lenders suckered naive middlemen with good credit (like KK) into buying a home from another sucker in foreclosure. The brokers make huge fees on both the initial sale/mortage, then make all the fees over again after they talk the middleman into re-mortgaging the property, the equity of which which was rising at an astronomical rate during the past decade.
The broker usually promises to collect rent for the middleman from the homeowner, and he promises to pass the money along to the middleman to help cover the mortage. Usually, the broker pockets all the rent money and the middleman goes into foreclosure just as the homeowner did before.
This became a classic pattern across the U.S., but was especially widespread in California, as Darrah would know if she had a brain, or eyeballs, or at least an interest in actually researching her ravings.
Kayden was a sucker, the two homeowners were suckers, and the brokers in these deals will see prison time, as many others have done before them. Kayden was probably slapped with a token sentence because she’s involved in the adult industry – something Darrah might consider when she has to explain to a judge what she does for a living in her future libel cases.
Terri Redor
July 6, 2009
Another aspect of the scam I didn’t mention, which casts the original homeowner as an even bigger sucker, is that the broker commonly promises him that the middleman will return his home to him after a few years, after the homeowner has cleaned up his credit. The middleman supposedly won’t ask anything in return, but will just be glad for a chance to have acquired good credit in return for no real investment – a something for nothing scheme for everyone involved.
If KK was penalized for not having established a contract, if may have been for this aspect of the deal – or it may have just been a rental contract.
The real scam in this picture was the entire mortgage market in the last decade, in which almost every mortage involved a something for nothing deal. Everyone thought the increasing value of his home was free money, and the number one job of brokers and mortgage lenders was to make sure the suckers believed that the bubble was never going to burst.
Darrah Ford
July 6, 2009
The broker is the one who took in this family out of his own money and let them stay with him after what Kayden & crew did. This wouldn’t have happened to this family fs a pretty blonde were her fake smile wasn’t there to convince them.
What Mark put out is basically a press release. What the fuck do you expect her to say? Yes I’m a fucking evil cunt and I conned this family? What part of she walked away with six figures don’t you understand? If you had a brain, eyeballs, or at least an interest in actually researching anything, you would have read the interviews by Scott and Gene with three of the people dragged into all of this by Kayden herself.
But you don’t want to because you two have been in porn for far too long and are jaded. She’s a dumb blonde slut you’ll probably get a chance to fuck next award show and you all think it’s fun and cute. Step out in the real world and open your fucking eyes and see how the real world thinks and acts. The porn industry is in the minority in your thinking Kayden is the least to blame.
If I actually got a DA to talk, neither of you would give a shit. Mark puts out basically a press release and you people call it journalism. But Scott and Gene actually went out and saw the people they interviewed but it means nothing to you.
Kayden deserves to feel a thousand times more pain and suffering than she inflicted on this family, the broker, the ex, and the other family. If she did this in other countries, she would be dead or her hands would be chopped off. Defend your little whore because she will eventually fall even greater and while I’ll be here leaning back and laughing at it all, you’ll all be covering your heads in shame for ever defending her.
The industry defends rapists, pedophiles, batterers, cons, and every parasite you can think of. I can sleep well at night knowing I will never be a part of this industry and glad for it.
Darrah Ford
July 6, 2009
Hey, Billy agrees with me on something. lol
frog
July 6, 2009
Darrah, nothing will probably happen. But, I’d definitely slap that Opinion/Editorial tag you got on this one. Just because no one has so far, doesn’t mean no one ever will.
lilly
July 7, 2009
Darrah,
I respect you very much for putting yourself out there for writing this, taking the hits for the real victims. AVN has invested money in KK. Of course they’ll back her up; I wouldn’t expect anything less from them. But believe me, they don’t even believe the crap they put in that PR article.
I am close to the people on the other end here, and happened upon your site after hearing there was buzz going around on this. She knew what she was doing; if I were in her place I’d do the same thing. I don’t care if others decide to back her. We all want to assume the best in someone. At least both points of views have been articulately put out there–thanks to Scott, you, and others. People will side with whoever they relate to most for the most part. That’s out of your hands.
The crime she knowingly committed is obvious to those who watched it unfold a few years ago. But she’s taking it in the ass for a living now. The universe is in harmony I’d say.
Harvey Dent
July 7, 2009
I do agree with Terri Redor that KK might have being sucked. But I do not see any regret or shame in having being sucked. That is very rare, if you are really innocent, you will be yelling in pain.
There is a trick many cops use when they whant to know someone might be innocent. Charge them and put then in jail. The innocent party will be shouting all the night and telling his story to everyone who might listen and calling for lawyers, family, everyone.
The guilty suspect often go to sleep peacefully. They might claim they are being railroaded, but the tension and uncertainess of being caught is gone and they go to sleep. They sleep like babies.
KK is she has been sucked as long as the Veteran has no expresed any regret or shame of having fallen into such a crimminal scene. That is very rare. Is all a big joke for her.
“Kayden was probably slapped with a token sentence because she’s involved in the adult industry – something Darrah might consider when she has to explain to a judge what she does for a living in her future libel cases.”
So Terri, do you thing that Darrah might be a PW alter ego?
frog
July 7, 2009
I just went and re-read the links to Fayner and AdultFYI. Unless you just entirely discount Kayden’s old boyfriend and Scott Henley’s, the broker’s, statements in their interviews, I don’t know how you can possibly believe Kayden is innocent in this.
At the very most, it’s possible Tim Hough who was the guy that initially approached the vet, TJ, swindled Kayden into thinking the deal was something it was not. Maybe he even charged her money that took a significant hit in the profits on the deal? TJ mentions in his AdultFYI that the first time they started having trouble with Kayden was when she called ticked that Hough wasn’t making payments on a Corvette they bought together, saying she wasn’t going to sign some paper work. Here’s the bit from the AdultFYI story:
At the very most, Hough glad-handled Kayden enough to the point after the deal with the house had gotten put in motion, and then he started twisted her arm even further, an example being the Corvette.
But, just like a stripper with pure cha-ching in her eyes, instead of stepping back and figuring out how the hell to get out of the mess, she responded like a stripper purely on the make. These guys can use my body like a fuck-toy, but I’m gonna get paid!
But, I wouldn’t put it past Kayden that that bit about the Corvette she told TJ, that was just any shit she could find to tell him and maybe shut him up. Kind of like Mike South came on this web site looking for any thing at all to be a dick about, threaten to sue, and try to get the story shut up. I wouldn’t put it past her at all that she was on the make from the get-go.
Who the hell buys a Corvette with a boyfriend? Especially a boyfriend that she not only met in a strip-club, but she’s also spending half her time with that other guy, old boyfriend that did an interview for Fayner. Kayden was busy trying to live the high life. Didn’t have time for making sure the deal was handled properly.
Terri, have you just read nothing about this case? Are you affiliated with AVN in any way?
Monica
July 7, 2009
Ok, just got caught up tonight on this entire story Darrah via your blog and some other a.i. sources.
All I’m gonna say is that I had to remove her blog link (which wasn’t much of a blog to begin with – considering that she’s supposedly trying to be a writer?) from my new site.
The most glaring and disturbing thing here is that whether she was “aware”, or not, of what was going on on, she’s doesn’t seem sorry at all.
She should probably stay in her new loft (according to her blog she just relocated) and not do ANYTHING questionable at all because even though she’s kind of free (and women in her situation never really are “free”, though they think they are), if she does even 1 little thing I’m sure there are other people who may be angrier than you Darrah who are just watching and waiting.
Darrah Ford
July 7, 2009
http://pornstarbabylon.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/mark-kernes-comments-after-my-blowup-about-his-kayden-kross-interview/
Don Houston
July 7, 2009
Terri, while I wouldn’t be as harsh on our budding blogger, you make a stronger case than any of the trio have so far. Much of what we have ALL speculated about involves the intentions of KK or the statements each of the interviewed parties has made to date. If it is easy for some to automatically and indiscriminately blame KK, discarding what she has said, it should be just as valid to ask questions of the other parties.
Most mortgage brokers won’t touch this kind of transaction even if it is on the up and up because the association people make with it. Such deals are lucrative for them in every case because they usually get twice the fees as just selling a house plus there is the comfy arrangements made when finding the backer to secure the deal (in this case KK) with all the risk on her back.
I’m not going to break down our hosts lavishly wild speculations any more since she has become so sensitive to alternative points of view (and 95% of everything she has stated is either pure speculation or requires you swallow everything other people with something to gain as 100% truth) but whatever complicity KK has, the broker is now on the hook for far more (they have more legal obligations and are held to specific standards, especially now that the mortgage industry has gone to crud, and you bet he’s going to try and look like an angel once caught because he’ll do actual time if something illegal was done outside of mere paperwork.
Frog, believe it or not, a LOT of people even buy houses with boyfriends/girlfriends. It’s stupid to do so because then anytime there’s a fight, it becomes a battleground but that part I could see happening given the income levels and general mentality so many strippers have. When I looked at the people contacted so far, every single one of them had a stake or motivation to mislead the press (or bloggers for example). Ex-boyfriends are notorious for lying as are co-conspirators, including the one unable to afford the house that jumped feet first into this venture (who never bothered to have it checked out or consult an attorney even when things went south). That’s why my stance has evolved into thinking every single one of them was part of the problem.
Now, if I had a personal vendetta against mortgage scammers like a certain someone does or if I hated attractive performers in the porn industry to the point where I’d willingly overlook anything to mitigate their part of the tragic scam, I’d jump all over KK as the object of my ire. As it is, my dispassionate interest tells me they all wanted more than they should have received (from a house they couldn’t afford to a higher rate of return on an investment to fees that would choke a horse). Some of the conduct is mere stupidity to the point where the police believed it was a civil matter (and the DA’s office largely agreed with them; feel free to call both to verify-it took a whole four minutes and one callback) and some were technical violations that are usually overlooked as they equate to administrative matters, but the system in place sure made it easy for all of them to reach for the illusive brass ring.
billy
July 7, 2009
Yes Darrah, I do agree with some of what youre saying. Perhaps hell is freezing over(lol).
But perhaps you could take your own advice. You take Mr. Kernes to task for not “thouroghly investingating the case” and issuing what basically amounts to a press release. You say in oneof your comments…”If you had a brain,eyeballs, or at least an interest in actually researching anything….” Perhaps Darrah you could have done alittle bit of this yourself before printing such ridiculous, and EASILTY researched articles such as ,”SHaron Mitchel owns the lab that runs AIM tests” and “SHaron Mitchell arrested in golf course prostitution.” Seems a little like the pot calling the kettle black.
billy
July 7, 2009
But the funniest thing is, How did Mark Kernes get this interview, and not Kaydens mentor/publicist Mike South. We’ve heard nothing from the guy who claimed to know eveything. Perhaps Mike can fill in those details that Kayden “declined’ to comment on with Mr. Kernes, regarding “other obligations” to the victims.
And does her probation forbid her from associating with known felons, criminals etc. Wonder if her probation officer is aware of the people she regularly does business with in the adult industry?
lilly
July 7, 2009
If Kernes would like to contact the family, or the mortgage broker, or obf, and hear the articulation, passion, and hurt in their voice for himself he can email me at: lilly686834@yahoo.com. Thats is, if he wants to do some real research like fayner.
What impressed me most about fayner is that he didn’t just regurgitate what was told to him in the interviews (ahem kernes spewing out KK’s bull sh*it). He continued to do research, saw that people’s stories matched up from various sources, put the pieces together, and wrote his own article.
And Kernes–you talk about motive. How about the motive Kim has to rebuke this story. She has nothing w/out porn, and you are her newest tool in all this.
Darrah Ford
July 7, 2009
By reading his site, it seems they’ve had a falling out. I was told a reason why by someone else but I can’t share that. But the honeymoon is over between them.
The brain and eyeballs thing was aimed at Terri because he said the same words to me.
I never claimed to be a journalist and always said I write my own spin on what others have written. I’m more a reporter than a journalist.
Many including myself would be more understanding and forgiving of her if she seemed more sorry and showed remorse. A family did lose their home. Whatever she feels against the man, the fact still remains that a mother and her four children lost their home because of something Kayden was involved in. But she shows no remorse. I support most women and get blamed by many calling women victims of men. So I would have loved to defended Kayden. But I can’t because I don’t believe anything she says and about her involvement.
Darrah Ford
July 7, 2009
Thank you! I appreciate that. Expect something new on all of this later today on my blog. Was busy yesterday defending myself here and other stuff behind the scenes.
billy
July 7, 2009
Darrah, how dare you call yourself a ‘reporter”. You are a GOSSIP writer, or GOSSIP blogger,or columinst. There is no shame in being a gossip columnist. A reporter checks his facts BEFORE printing anything.
Embrace what you are, and do your best at it. But dont call it something that it clearly is not.
Darrah, do you think the term ‘gossip columnist” is a more accurate description of what you do or are you going to stick with reporter who “writes her own spin?”
billy
July 7, 2009
P.S.
A reporter reports facts about the news. A reporter does NOT ‘spin’. And a reporter does not try to ‘create’ a news story where there is none. Again, youre a gossip blogger.(not that there is anything wrong with that). You need to look up the definition of the words ‘editorial’ and ‘opinion,’ and then look up the word gossip.
Darrah Ford
July 7, 2009
There’s nothing wrong with gossip writer. But Perez Hilton is a gossip writer. Much of what he writes and puts out there is total bullshit and completely fabricated by him for publicity & traffic. I’m not that. I write my spin on what others write, what others send in to me, and what industry insiders tell me (the Sharon Mitchell story you keep on complaining about).
billy
July 7, 2009
Except that the sharon mitchell stories(she owns the lab…and was busted in a golf prostitution sting) are both completely and 100% total bullshit. The fact that they are 100% bullshit has been proven to you and I have even showed you EXACTLY where to get the facts.
Then, after recieveing the FACTS you continue to insinuate that the stories are true, which goes beyond mere gossip and borders on libleous/slanderous.
Do you STILL contend that those stories are true, or even ‘might’ be true, as YOU have stated?
Darrah Ford
July 7, 2009
Well I always said I don’t know if the prostitution story is true or not. Different source other than the lab story. But both named Sharon Mitchell and both live in California and both in the adult industry. The woman arrested I assume is one of the prostitutes that were arrested.
billy
July 7, 2009
I also suggest you read the article on Gene’s site the other day about bloggers ‘not’ being protected under the same libel/slander protectiosn as journalsists, and not having the same rights as jounalists when protecting “sources.” The article also makes mention of a duty to confirm facts, even for bloggers.
billy
July 7, 2009
Darrah, now you are just NOT being truthful. The gofarticle you cited said …”sharon mitchell was arrested for possesion of a controlled substane.” That is the ONLY mention of the person named sharon Mitchell. It says NOTHING about her being one of the prostitutes, and NOTHING about her being in the adult industry. It said she lived in Newport beach.
Please show me where it says she was one of the prostitutes, and works in the adult industry. IT DOES NOT. Why do you say that it does, or is that just your spin(lie).
And have you looked up Parthenon Capital yet? They own the lab. A google search should take you about 30 seconds!!!
billy
July 7, 2009
Darrah, did you notice how none of the other cites picked up on any of these bullshit stories? I wonder why? Oh wait, it is because they are bullshit.
Darrah Ford
July 7, 2009
As I said I assumed she was one of the prostitutes as well. It didn’t say she worked at the golf course. She was part of the party which means she might have been one of the prostitutes.
Darrah Ford
July 7, 2009
I sometimes get picked up on LIB. I try to post something everyday at Scott’s. And AdultFYI now runs what I say more often only because I contribute at Scott’s. No other sites that I know of run what I write except the occasional rare story.
billy
July 7, 2009
Now you are just flat out lying. There is ONE line in the article you cited that mentions the name Sharon Mitchell. It says NOTHING about her being one of the prostitutes, and NOTHING about her being in the adult industry. NOTHING!!!!
You say you made that assumption when there is nothing there to even remotely subest that. Was that your assumption, or more like wishful thinking. And what about “works in the adult industry” as you also stated. It says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that could even be spun to insinuate that. Its all in your own link. I suggest you read it, and stop lying.
Darrah Ford
July 7, 2009
For fuck sakes. The title of that post was “Was Sharon Mitchell arrested in a prostitution sting seven years ago?”. It’s a question meaning I wasn’t sure. No it didn’t say that Sharon Mitchell is a prostitute but she was one of the ones arrested during that prostitution bust which means she could have well been one of the prostitutes. And being a prostitute also means you’re in the adult industry.
I’m getting sick of this same shit. You know what I mean but you keep on rehashing it. Worse has been said about the Sharon Mitchell we know.
billy
July 7, 2009
You know what I mean and keep printing the same shit Darrah. Your try to make this accusation, insinuation, and when you find out it is completely false you dont retract it. Just retract the story, like anyone with any credibility would do, and be done with it. But you refuse to do that even thought you KNOW for a FACT that both stories are false.
Why do you leave FALSE strories, one that includes accusations of felonies, on your site?
Don Houston
July 7, 2009
As soon as billy threw her a bone with his agreement, I was waiting for the other shoe to drop…lol…and the thing is, now I’m in agreement with him on most of his comments…yikes!
Lilly: “How about the motive Kim has to rebuke this story. She has nothing w/out porn, and you are her newest tool in all this.”
The first rule of advice a decent attorney is going to give a client is that they should not talk about the criminal affair, especially with the press. His advice has proven invaluable to date and of all the participants in the story, he has been the most credible of all.
That said, KK was making a very comfortable living as a stripper before entering porn and if you saw the way men tossed money her way, including certain ex-boyfriends, you would know that she could go right back to stripping w/o porn and still make a better living than the majority of people in the industry (none of which absolves her of what she was convicted of, I’m just saying).
frog
July 7, 2009
Yeah, I’ve seen that. But, I’ve never seen a Corvette. Buying a house together, they think they’re being practical because if they can pool their resources they can afford something decent and not have to pay rent. But, a Corvette? There’s nothing practical about that. And, with a guy you met in a strip club? Who’s only one of at least two boyfriends at the time that we know about?
All Terri did was come in and shout that what Kayden did was obviously a scam and claims she’s seen it before. The fact that a scam could just as easily have been perpetuated by Kayden and or Hough as could have been by the broker, she doesn’t even address that. You saying “stronger case” is ridiculous. She doesn’t make a case at all.
You’re convinced of this idea that you’re such a bad ass no one can handle you when you’re the devil’s advocate. I just checked that link in the comments. No one in the industry has even bothered to post on Fayner’s blog except Lilly who also comments here. Does AdultFYI even allow comments. People come here because Darrah is tolerant of diverse opinions.
She slammed you because you were making the same damn point over and over, thinking you’re such a bad ass that you’re opinion is the most important thing on the entire internet. YOu said your opinion a few times and we read it and considered it.
But, I understand the frustration. You wanted to hear from the DA as much as I do. I’ve just done that to Darrah in the past and learned that Darrah does what she wants, not what I or you want her to do.
Yeah, and from all presented evidence, save Kayden making the ridiculous claim the only thing she did wrong was not write up a proper contract without any sympathy for the disabled man who lost his house, it looks like the broker made an honest attempt. But, mortgage brokers are a top public enemy these days. Obama’s even using them as a punching bag. The DA may very well be jumping on this trend and slam the broker.
But, the only one who’s had the resources to look at this thing as objectively as possible so far is the DA. There are other reasons besides Kayden’s innocence why she got off so easy. She could have rolled. She could have taken lesser prison time so she was available to work and pay stiffer restitution.
Until we hear from the DA, unless we hear from the DA, no one can really claim they know exactly what happened.
frog
July 7, 2009
Lilly:
The thing about political pull is that it’s nice to have. But, what politics is all about is waiting for opportunities. If they roll their eyes at having to post what Kayden said like Lilly says, you can bet AVN is biding their time till it makes sense to dump her.
Kayden made a big mistake by missing a big opportunity to be apologetic for the vet losing his house in that AVN article and showing that’s she human. She sounds cold and rigid in that article, she doesn’t care.
Don Houston
July 7, 2009
Frog, I don’t claim to be a “bad ass” and my comments were not repeatedly nearly as repetitively as DF’s or some of the rest of you. Terri helped prove that there are no clear cut guilty parties in these sorts of transactions, a point few had made before that.
My limited experience with strippers is that they will string along a number of guys at the same time (not all of them but most of the ones making 6 figures or more) so I’m more surprised that he didn’t just buy her the ‘Vette as so many PL’s do (PL=pathetic loser; a common strip club term for certain kinds of men).
Otherwise, you’ve made some reasonable points and I’ll defer to your wisdom for the day… Take care!
frog
July 7, 2009
Who’s being more repetitive is arguable, but going over past arguments sounds like an argument doomed to be repetitive itself. And, I’ve already spent enough time typing comments on this blog today.
Your comments here definitely add to the site. Flaming Darrah is a tradition at PS Babylon.
And, you’re a tiger going after Darrah, but you’ve been being a pussycat when I’ve opened my mouth. I’ve teased Darrah about how much better it is just being a commenter here rather than the one who has to do the work and write all the entries. Apparently, another advantage is becasue you’re less important, you’re much less likely to have to Don Houston ride up on your ass in the comments!
Don Houston
July 8, 2009
Frog: “Your comments here definitely add to the site. Flaming Darrah is a tradition at PS Babylon.”
Okay…
Frog: “And, you’re a tiger going after Darrah, but you’ve been being a pussycat when I’ve opened my mouth. I’ve teased Darrah about how much better it is just being a commenter here rather than the one who has to do the work and write all the entries. Apparently, another advantage is becasue you’re less important, you’re much less likely to have to Don Houston ride up on your ass in the comments!”
I seem to recall being pretty tough on “billy” while largely supportive of DF a great number of times. It just depends on what is said, in the above case I was tossing you a bone out of kindness (and the fact that I had several more reviews to finish up) but also because I felt you did make some decent points.
Frog: “But, the only one who’s had the resources to look at this thing as objectively as possible so far is the DA. There are other reasons besides Kayden’s innocence why she got off so easy. She could have rolled. She could have taken lesser prison time so she was available to work and pay stiffer restitution.”
DA’s traditionally rely very heavily on the police to investigate matters, rarely employing their own resources unless it is a case of police misconduct (I’ll defer to Harvey though since he seems to be the police expert here). The claims that the detective was screwing KK are as unsupported as those made by DF regarding Mark and without seeing the whole investigation file (having been on a grand jury before, it amazes me what is left off the public portion), I’d like more than a brief conversation with one of the assistant DA’s to verify some facts (such as the restitution amount which I was led to believe was greater than 28k, and I quote, “a bargain compared to going to trial for four felonies”).
Otherwise, I think most of us agree KK committed a crime and acted in a manner that would cause us to hide our valuables in her presence, some of us just seem to believe there is a lot more guilt to spread around (and not just on the system that allows so many frauds to take place). Let’s face it, would any of you trust a stripper or porn performer without getting the contracts looked over for a few hundred bucks? Seriously…
frog
July 8, 2009
Yeah, there’s one of those old boyfriend interviews where he says Henley, the broker, didn’t check out Kayden as much as he should have. Hough, the mysterious no-signature on any docs man who was the original one who showed up at the disabled vets door with the deal, was claiming Kayden was his wife at the beginning. The old boyfriend said he should have checked Kayden out more.
But, as someone like you, who considers the entire real estate market set up by government driven delusions as to valuations, I would never become a mortgage broker to begin with. All kinds of money flying around without knowing who any of the people really are. I could see a man becoming desensitized to the whole process and after so long not bothering to look into stuff as much as he should.
But, not only did the old boyfriend say the broker was free of any guilt and actually let the vet’s family live in a rental property the broker owned for free – driving the vet to his doctor’s appointments to take care of his medical condition. But, the victim himself said the broker stood by him and never violated his trust.
You could say old boyfriend had motivation to clear the broker of guilt. So, that any grudge he holds against Kayden could be bore out to further fruition. But, what would the victim’s motivation for clearing the broker of any guilt be?
As to further villians in the case, I’d look to these shady individuals who were around Kayden. The big mystery man, Hough, was the original one who showed up at the vet’s door trying to get the deal in place. Was he just being a good samaritan, what was his motivation in the deal. Axelrod who notarized a bunch of stuff for Kayden and showed up at the vets door claiming he was Kayden’s new property manager for the house. A claim that was never supposed to have been verified by Kayden herself. The porn business man with the last name Ngo who ended up owning the property after Kayden. How was he involved?
If Kayden got suckered in anyway, I’m thinking it was those guys.
frog
July 8, 2009
One thing I’ve learned about Darrah is she has some serious kook-dar going on. And, she’s finely honed that ability.
I went after her one time pretty hard because of her slamming Pastor Melissa Scott. She was formerly a porn whore named Barbi Bridges. My angle was, who cares that she was in porn? Just because you were in porn doesn’t mean you can’t change and become religious!
But, Darrah was on her from the beginning. She started bringing up all kinds of stuff. Turns out, Barbi has a 2 million dollar condo in LA while she’s preaching to all these poor and middle class folk schlepping their way through life. Then, after Darrah started blogging about her, she had an affair with some guy who had been in porn himself. A loving, caring affair. No. The guy was not only aesthetics out the ass, he was also married to someone else. Then the circumstantial evidence where she got her job to begin with, because as a young woman in the thirties (or maybe even twenties, don’t remember) she married a guy in his 70′s. And, when he croaked, she inherited the business.
Now, you can make jokes about a person who’s mind is talented in the area of finding out who the kooks are. Lord knows I do. But, when Darrah finds a new nut case to rant over, rarely does any lumpy middle-aged woman feel so alive!
The experiments with professionalism, kind of have been hiding that ability as of late. She’s been focusing more on that than just having fun. But, Darrah knows there are areas she needs to improve in. It’s not so much letting XPT pigeon hole her as to what she is. It’s that she wants to grow and become a better blogger. Many people just muck around and deal with whatever they currently want to do. As much as it drags the blog down a little bit, I always admire people who go threw the effort and exert themselves to try to become better.
Harvey Dent
July 8, 2009
“Kayden made a big mistake by missing a big opportunity to be apologetic for the vet losing his house in that AVN article and showing that’s she human. She sounds cold and rigid in that article, she doesn’t care.”
She is a socipath, cold and emotionless, just as her sex scenes BTW.
Darrah Ford
July 8, 2009
I’m middle-aged Frog? And how is the blog being dragged down?
frog
July 8, 2009
Oh yeah, I forgot you’re identity is a secret.. I’ll cut out the middle-aged cracks.
When you do the professionalism bit, I think it just takes more of the mind power trying to make everything more kosher. Before you started doing that you would just rant and rave and the blog was more fun. But, I’m expecting with you working on your writing skills, once you get more comfortable with that, it won’t take as much effort for the blog to be both, more professional and ranting and raving fun. But kiddies, don’t get your hopes up too much. Darrah will never be a tried and true bona-fide professional. She’s too whacky and too much fun.
That said, I have noticed more structure in your writing that I used to complain about the lack of. I’ve been meaning to send you an email on one post of yours that I thought was particularly well-written. I forget which one it was now though.
frog
July 8, 2009
This Kayden stuff, it’s so much fun, you’ve reverted back to the good ole’ days more.
Darrah Ford
July 8, 2009
Yeah, I started using foul language again. lol I had stopped using the word cunt after I called Tina Tyler a cunt for supporting Marc Wallice. People got upset and I got messages and they said it took value away from my writing.
Harvey Dent
July 8, 2009
“But, when Darrah finds a new nut case to rant over, rarely does any lumpy middle-aged woman feel so alive!”
I think Darrah is not midwestern, she is denitively an Northeastern, raised Catholic, New Deal union working class Democrat, ethnic white woman. She sounds like a younger Cindy Loftus, and like a working class version of Kay Ryan. Northeastern all the way. And when she curses, she is like Taylor Rain, Dillian Lauren and another foul mouthed Northeastern PWs. She must be in her late twenties early thirties.
And yes, Darrah has a good krookdar and a very personal sense of justice. Sometimes I think that the way she came to support some PWs in rape and custody battles is because she has being there before despite her denials, the way she declared Jihad on Desi Fox was becasue she has being teased about her daughter (I suspected that from day one) following her PW footsteps in custody battles, something she is adamant it wont happen, so what Desi did is a no no for Darrah and Jihad worthy. And I bet that she has seems women get into porn to avoid lossing homes, so what Kimmie Krook did is also Jihad worthy.
I do think Darrah is honest about her hatreds. And often they are well deserved. Which makes her obsesion with XPT even more puzzling. Did one of them piss off Darrah in the real world?
Darrah Ford
July 9, 2009
I don’t want to make this a blog post or else I’ll lose my mind again and go crazy. The person she is talking about is me because Mike has called me retarded before. Her blog:
unkrossed (dot) com
Post title is Gossip:
Tuesday, July 7, 2009
Gossip
The one thing I’ve found to be a constant in this world is that people will believe what they want to believe and there’s not a thing you can do about it past your first appeal to reason or emotion. The other thing I’ve found to be a constant is that when Mike wants you to do something you might as well just do it because he’s tireless and won’t give up until he gets his way. Ok. Mike wants me to blog. I’m blogging.
At first he asked nicely. Then he mentioned that someone thought I owed it to him. Then he asked nicely in a text. Then he told me to read one of the many many gossip sites that seems to think my case is the most sensational thing since Jenna decided to stop spreading her legs. Possibly even more sensational. These things are hard to measure. Anyhoo, considering Mike knows I’ve shut out gossip sites altogether, with his blessing no less, the fact that he sent me to a blog that he knows without a doubt doesn’t have a shred of truth to it and was written by a person he thinks is downright retarded leads me to believe that he wanted me to touch on the subject. I’m touching.
Ok so the sensational version of what happened goes like this: A 20 year old stripper defrauded an innocent couple and her mortgage broker for a six figure dollar amount and was so savvy about it that even though she got caught, she was only sentenced to a day in jail. Please. I’m a pornstar. If I had stolen a six figure dollar amount and pled out to it they would have given me the maximum time allowable. 1 day in jail is below the minimum sentence. I haven’t been sentenced to any days in jail anyway. Someone misread the report. The day in jail is in reference to when I was arrested and posted bail. I served my ‘day’ in jail back in August, and it was more like a night. I was home in time for Taco Bell’s fourth meal.
The dollar amount in question was a grand total of $15,000. Not $150,000. I received it in the form of a check from the mortgage broker. Yeah the dude who is mad that he got pulled into this. The one who also made it a point to hit the gossip sites. The one who’s bail was more than double mine, who is still in court over this whole deal, and is facing a lot more crap than I was both on this case and on others that I wasn’t even involved with. Did I mention he’s not actually a mortgage broker? I just found out a couple of months ago. His business cards say it though. But to verify any of that information you’ll have to go through his lawyer/mom.
I never met the first investigator that I’m being told I was fucking. I was living in San Diego during the investigation and was oblivious to the fact that it was even going on. The first investigator decided I was just a naive 20 year old and through some series of events that I know nothing about it ended up in the hands of a second person. The grand theft charge ultimately rested on how I spent that money. If I spent it on frivolous bullshit, then I stole it, and if I spent it on the property in question, then I didn’t have the intent to defraud. Well that second investigator checked one of my bank accounts and decided I didn’t spend it on anything, therefore it was stolen. Nevermind that the account he checked was a CD and had no debits against it whatsoever. Once my lawyer asked for proof of payments made on the property I was able to show him not one, but four different ways that I had made payments on the property.
It’s complicated, but here’s the gist of it: the ‘victims’ took out a HELOC on their home right about the time I was shopping to refinance my own home. I was using Tim Hogue as my mortgage ‘lender’ (turns out he’s not a lender either but he did find some interesting ways to make use of my social security number). A few months go by and Hogue tells me he can’t find a better deal for my house but he has a good real estate investment offer for me. There is a couple in foreclosure (yeah they took out a HELOC and didn’t make a single payment on it before defaulting) who needs someone to buy their house from them and lease it back to them until they could afford to buy it again. If I buy it, some of the equity goes into the “broker’s” account, the broker takes his commission and sends me a check to cover the difference between what the tenants are paying in rent vs. what I’m paying on the mortgage. I make money on the back end when I sell it back to them because I’ve put nothing down, it’s just resting on my credit for a couple of years.
I had one of those gut feelings that tell you to run the other way but I passed it off as nerves and went for it anyway. The few people I explained it to said it sounded like a good idea and popular thinking of the time (early 2006) was that California real estate could never be a bad investment. Maybe you remember that. I didn’t know anything about real estate and apparently neither did they. A week after I signed for the loan I got my check and my stomach fell to the floor. The check was for half the amount it was supposed to be. I couldn’t afford my own mortgage at that time much less a gap on a rental property. The next day I went over to the tenant’s house and told them what happened. As it turned out, their check was for a lot less than they had been promised as well. And not a single contract had been written.
Scott Henley “the broker” then of course told them it was all my fault and catered to them hand and foot as I tried to find a way to get rid of the properties before I ran out of money and they kept threatening to call the police. I signed the title of their house as well as my own to the first person who would take them and walked. This was after I asked them to find a way to buy the house back, and after I asked Scott to find a way to put the house in his name instead. Both parties declined, which makes sense considering I had overpaid for the house and couldn’t possibly sell it for what I actually paid for it. Maybe you’re familiar with the I-overpaid-for-my-house-in-a-declining-market story. Scott had insisted on using his own appraiser and that’s why there was equity “left over” to be transferred to Scott’s account.
Fast forward three years and I can prove that I didn’t steal anything, but I can’t defend myself against the second charge because it’s a non liability crime, which means it doesn’t matter whether I intended to do it or not or whether I even knew I was doing it. It’s a specific law in the California code that states that in certain types of foreclosures the buyer has to fill out a contract with the seller, and I didn’t do that. I pled out. My lawyer was costing me a fortune and they’re right, I’m guilty of not filling out a contract in one clusterfuck of a situation that I regretted long before all of this started. And yes I’m the first person to ever be prosecuted for it in Sacramento. The end. Someone make a porn out of it. You won’t have to work to hard at figuring out where the sex scenes might get thrown in. The gossip sites sure haven’t had to.
posted by Kayden Kross on 10:06 AM
lilly
July 9, 2009
Don Houston says:
The first rule of advice a decent attorney is going to give a client is that they should not talk about the criminal affair, especially with the press. His advice has proven invaluable to date and of all the participants in the story, he has been the most credible of all.
Lilly: Yes advice is one thing. I would have advised her similarly. But he hasn’t conducted one interview with someone from the other side. His only concern is to cover her a*s, not be a journalist and find out the truth.
Don Houston says:
That said, KK was making a very comfortable living as a stripper before entering porn and if you saw the way men tossed money her way, including certain ex-boyfriends, you would know that she could go right back to stripping w/o porn and still make a better living than the majority of people in the industry.
Lilly says:
You have a point, but stripping is not fulfilling to her. She needs attention on a grander scale. Adam and Eve dropped her, twice actually, after this came out. She begged and pleaded with them, telling them this was all she had. (This is the reason Vivid dropped her for good) But they ended up taking her back. Maybe there was some under the desk action too lol, I don’t know. I know this from direct contacts in the industry.
Harvey Dent
July 9, 2009
Adam and Eve can now bitch slap her all they want and get her do more hardcore scenes, and I do not see Kayden, egocentric bitch, loosing her pride and doing gonzo porn. She is not Sophia Lynn. Both women were probably abused as children but Kayden is a socipath with the last one is not, just a very depressed and distubed women. Both handle their selfloathing and depression and anger differently.
Kayden will probably never escort, she is into ego, so she needs to be the Big Contract Star, not do do gonzo porn, and she is into manupulating men, no she is not into hobbyist but into sugar daddies.
iwasthere
July 9, 2009
Ngo was somehow involved with Matrix Content which Kayden had shot for while living in the Sac area.
Kayden’s boyfriend has always had a big mouth and left some comments about her a few years ago on a blog that was known for posting AVN pictures. He whined about ‘having to pick her up’ and implied that he felt burdened by his involvement with her. He also did not like her involvement with porn.
iwasthere
July 9, 2009
Maybe there was some ‘under the desk’ action, she did write about ‘her boss turning down a three way’. Huh? Was she at a swing club with her boss and his wife? A little too cozy to be just random.
She also hangs out with a rich crowd in LA. She mentioned a friend who lived on the same street as Britney Spears.
Don Houston
July 9, 2009
Lilly, I’m not sure her lawyer didn’t speak to some of the other parties given some of what ultimately took place. So far, most of what I’ve been told or guessed at using the pieces of the puzzle unveiled have panned out (such as KK’s paperwork violation) but while I’ve never held her unaccountable as some have suggested, I still think the motivations of the various parties have proven them about as credible as a series of slanted blogs by a blogger with an axe to grind. Entertaining? Certainly, but hardly enough to get all huffy about.
As far as her contract with A& E is concerned, whether she was ever fired, let go, not renewed, or otherwise sanctioned, she is still working there under contract despite everything else that has been said. I doubt very much that she had to perform privately for the Harvey’s or any of the other bigwigs at the company (at least any more or less than any contract performer there has done) given the circumstances and until/unless we see a big civil case against her pop up by the veteran, I think her point of view grows more likely (isn’t the statute of limitations 2 years in that regard, proving if he had a case, he could have hired someone on contingency to sue her if he was so believable?).
frog
July 9, 2009
You can just see Kayden rolling her eyes as she thinks about someone helping out a family in need.
Whose else fault would not paying the mortgage be? Paying the mortgage was her responsibility.
She bought into the notion that way too many were buying that investing in real estate is solid bank. Then the value of her house tanks and she’ll be damned if she’s gonna lose all the money she made whoring herself!
The shot TJ, the vet, took at the Corvette she had just bought with Hogue. That’s why they were thinking she was screwing them over so royally. She just bought a Corvette and now she couldn’t afford the mortgage payments? On top of having not too long ago received $15K. Sounded to them like a whore on the make.
But, she says she was having trouble making her own mortgage payments. Henley, the broker, and TJ, the vet, are saying she just bought a Corvette. blah, blah, blah.. Her post makes the context much clearer, but doesn’t really change my mind that much.
Other than she probably didn’t go into the deal to rip people off. She just started losing her shirt and was determined not to lose that money.
How responsible she was with her money before the house tanked is an issue. And, I’m not under the impression most whores are that responsible. Don’t know about Kayden herself.
Whether she made a good attempt at getting out of the deal legitimately, considering the needs of the family is an issue. Did she just start sending frantic mesage screaming, “I’m not losing money for you two!!” Or, did she go at it with a professional attitude looking for alternatives, trying to dump as much of the loss on the bank rather than herself and the family? Henley, the broker should have been willing to take a loss too. But, with him all over the vet driving him to doctor’s appointment and letting him live in one of his rental houses. Well, if he did that.
frog
July 9, 2009
Don:
How have the motivations of the various parties, besides Kayden, proven themselves not creditable?
lilly
July 10, 2009
The parties on the other end may not seem credible. But should you meet them, then meet Kim, your gut instincts would speak the loudest. You have no reason to believe me; you don’t even know who I am or what I look like. I am not asking anyone to just be a ditto head, and ignorantly regurgitate what I say. I despise ditto heads (sorry Rush fans). I am just putting the other side out there, as no one over here would have a voice otherwise. We don’t blog lol. I am just asking people to read both sides before placing judgement, and use your intuition. Something is wrong with her argument, if nothing more than her lack of compassion and regard for others.
I am no way directly affiliated with porn, have no stake in any of this. I’m just in a unique position of having many direct contacts. I only write because my stomach turned at seeing the outcome of her case. She continues to blog about meaningless crap, oblivious to the trail she left behind. It is not Kim that is so sensational, it’s what she did and that she’s getting away with it. She’s not the first person, and she wont be the last. It’s just one that hits home to me–for certain reasons.
Don Houston
July 10, 2009
Frog, which one? I could break down what bothers me most about each one but while I hold none of them as innocent in terms of motivations, but without more than a few minutes speaking with the parties none of the bloggers/journalists covered, I’d be the first to admit that far too much is missing to definitely state who is at fault more concretely.
Broker: regardless of whatever cover up/kindness he may have shown the Vet, he was the one most likely “in the know” about these kinds of transactions and how to properly handle them. Whatever interviews he’s given, he comes across as a blame the other guy type and literally had the most to lose by using questionable people in this kind of deal.
Ex-Boyfriend: As you have pointed out, who buys half a corvette with a stripper? But his “I’m not going to talk to the police” attitude tells me he is hiding something. I may not be the biggest fan of the authorities all the time (sorry Harvey) but he was clearly part of the problem.
Vet: I’m fiscally conservative so I have little tolerance for those that do not engage in due diligence in what could/would be one of the biggest transactions of my life (selling a home). He was in foreclosure and somewhat desperate for someone to piggyback on financially (ie: use their better credit since his was in the shitter) but as explained, he was paying 2/3 of the cost of the house note in a declining market (where equity was dropping faster than ever before), somehow believing he would figure out a way to pay back the various costs on top of the original note with piss poor credit. That he has not filed a civil action against the schemers also seems particularly curious given the clock ticking on the statute of limitations.
KK: Where to begin? Aside from the minor technical issue that she ended up pleading nolo on, it seems clear that she was not properly briefed on the whole deal, felt that since she would be on the hook for the entire arrangement she deserved a better take (the broker’s cut for doing virtually nothing probably weighing heavily on her mind), and those around her stupidly keeping her in the dark. Schemer or not, I find it highly unlikely that she concocted the plan in the first place and she reacted as many would when things went south.
The trio of twat: Each seems fixated on one player of the financial scheme despite ample opportunity to prove/disprove various aspects of the stories or motivations, one of them even admittedly too afraid to call anyone (though later mitigating that comment by also suggesting she isn’t paid to do so, refuses to pay a couple of bucks in long distance phones charges, etc). Taken as a whole, their speculations and one sided “reporting” paint a nasty picture but it has been so one sided that it automatically trips my BS alarm repeatedly.
Lilly, if I met all of them, I seriously doubt my opinions would change very much that each of them contributed to the mess. I have never said or suggested that KK was innocent as DF and a few others seem to believe, only that she was not the only one engaged in misconduct leading to problems.
Overall, I think frog’s latest assessment of the situation is most accurate: “Other than she probably didn’t go into the deal to rip people off. She just started losing her shirt and was determined not to lose that money.”
lilly
July 10, 2009
to Don Houstin:
I like that you developed your own opinion. Yes I could disagree about many things, or add more info to fill in some gaps, but it doesn’t matter at this point. To everyone else it’s speculation.
To that last paragraph, she was never going to lose money. She just wasn’t making enough in her opinion. She’s just a bad person, in my opinion, and all technicalities aside, bad things come back around one way or another. Had she handled this with sound character and integrity this would not have gotten to this point.
frog
July 10, 2009
We’re just playing gossip-monger, which I’m getting a little tired of. But, a little bit more fun with it. Reactions to Don’s post.
Broker, Scott Henley: Kayden’s own post doesn’t criticize the nature of the deal itself. According to her, she was going to make money on the back-end. Well, until the housing market tanked.
I believe there was a common scam running around deals like this. Not so much because of Terri’s post. That seemed pure ranting, comparing the deal to this scam she’s heard of, but not providing any evidence as to why this deal didn’t just have some similarities, but in fact was the scam itself.
Kayden’s complaint about the scam was she felt the broker, Henley skimmed to much cream off the top. Using his own appraiser to raise the value of the property and hence get a bigger commission. And, she complained about getting a smaller check out of closing the deal. That was probably due to fees that weren’t forthrightly stated before the deal was agreed to. That’s common in real estate transactions. Both houses I bought, saved over a thousand following up before I signed anything asking about fees, saying what the hell is this fee, etc.
Ex-boyfriend: You realize there were two ex-boyfriends? There was the one in one of the interviews, I think it was on Fayner’s site, that he called OBF. He was the one who wasn’t part of the deal, but went public (in the interview) saying Kayden borrowed like $150K on the house and then sold the title for $10K to the porn business Ngo. His shadiness could have been vindictiveness against Kayden over bitterness in their break up. But, Kayden doesn’t go against him in her post. And, even backs up his claim that the broker, Henley, let the vet and family live for free in one of this rental houses. Kayden does this by saying Henley “catered to them hand and foot”.
The other ex-boyfriend, Hogue, was the one who showed up at the vets doorstep with the deal to begin with. He was Kayden’s mortgage broker before she got involved in this deal. At which point Henley seemed to have taken over. He’s got no signatures on any documents whatsoever. Was he just going door to door looking for deals for Kayden because he was a good samartian? I bet even though he apparently had a job, he wasn’t doing that well with it. Hence, going door-to-door looking for deals. He’s shady as hell. Maybe he was trying to suitcase pimp Kayden. I’d be surprised if he didn’t get some money for his “efforts” from Kayden.
And, this was a 2nd mortgage broker Kayden had access to that maybe wasn’t directly involved, but was around the deal. Was this 2nd mortgage broker in on the scam? Was he working with Henley to screw Kayden over? Or, did just not think the deal was a pure scam to begin with, like I think?
The vet: He was injured on the job. He was waiting for a lump sum disability check that was going to be back-pay. Yeah he was done on his luck, but that’s no excuse for ripping him off. Maybe he could have found another deal if Kayden hadn’t gotten in the way? When he started getting his disability and get his lump sum back-pay check, that was how he was supposed to be able to start paying everything off.
KK: It was her responsilbity to pay the mortgage which was the center of this whole catastrophe. But, as we seem to be agreeing, her crime may have just been trying to get out of the deal too recklessly. The financial lessons she learned in strip clubs and hanging out on porn sets turn out to be a crime when you implement them while working on larger deals? But, like Don points out, took too damn long for the DA to figure out that the statute of limitations past.
frog
July 10, 2009
I need to verify that in the interviews that the vet was waiting for a lump sum check for his disability. I remember his situation was something like that. But, I don’t remember exactly.
lilly
July 10, 2009
Wow Frog. I wanted to say most of that in my last response but am running out of energy on this lol. There are a lot of comments going around that really show people are developing an opinion w/out understanding everything, if much at all. I think that’s why Darrah gets so pissed off at people sometimes. To follow accurately means one would have to have read, and actually followed, all the articles. I’m only on here for this particular issue, trying to straighten some things out, so thanks for your help
Don Houston
July 10, 2009
Frog: “I need to verify that in the interviews that the vet was waiting for a lump sum check for his disability. I remember his situation was something like that. But, I don’t remember exactly.”
He was waiting for one but the problem with that is, there has still been no such payout reported and of all the participants, the vet has been most vocal so had there been one, we’d have known about it by now. I used to volunteer in a VA hospital (and my sister has worked in one her whole life; over 35 years) and have had several friends waiting for disability payouts for years. Guess what? Most of them have either died waiting for said payouts or found the amount paid to them being far, far less than they believed they would get. In short, the disability payout is often akin to a brass ring that few ever see though most are convinced is just around the corner.
PS: And yes, I realize there have been some other players in this, I was just giving a basic summary of a few reasons why none of their stories are particularly convincing to me. I know you fussed at me previously for treating your posts easier than DF’s but frankly, you and I seem to at least partly agree on most of the topics so there is less to fuss about even when we draw dissimilar conclusions on the same bits of information.
frog
July 10, 2009
The one thing that goes well beyond being an irresponsible whore on the make is borrowing $150K on the house, then selling the title. Followed by the next guy who owned it leveraging it for the same amount. Then, the house being foreclosed on. That makes the whole thing look intentional, premeditated. But, the courts punishment with only $28K in restitution didn’t seem to take that into account. And, we only know that from one of the interviews and Darrah’s source ‘email’ (Darrah, please make up another name for that source, ‘email’ sucks, and sucks badly). Our best hope for finding out more about those loans is with ‘email’ right now.
frog
July 10, 2009
lilly, I hope you stick around even after the Kayden story goes away. There are two other females here. Darrah is of the bitchy feminazi variety. Gia’s really cool. But, she’ been XPTified. The sparse comments she occasionally leaves here are often leaning towards snotty.
But, I can just see all the crusty fat guys sitting around the table, drinking beer, guffawing how badly their favorite team sucks this year. Then, soft and lovely lilly floats in the room… And, all the shiny balding heads develop a soft smile, just hoping to get a little of her attention.
lilly
July 11, 2009
Thanks Frog. lol. And I am “email”. Darrah wasn’t sure at the time if it was ok put the name lilly because I didn’t get back to her in time, which was very responsible of her. But it was ok. Maybe I’ll pop in from time to time, debate what usually turns into random stuff lol. I’m growing fond of this lil community of people who have things to get off their chest.